What the Hell Happened to Arnold Schwarzenegger?

Arnold Schwarzenegger was an unlikely movie star.  He struggled with the English language and a thick Austrian accent.  His physique made him hard to cast in every-man roles.  And yet, for a time, he was the biggest star in Hollywood.  Eventually, he parlayed his popularity as a film star into a political career.  However, when his political career ended, Schwarzenegger’s Hollywood come-back was derailed by personal scandal.

What the hell happened?

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – body building career

Schwarzenegger began body building at a young age.  He moved to the United States as soon as possible to compete on a global level.  As I don’t know anything at all about the sport of body building, I am going to gloss right over this phase of Schwarzenegger’s career.

The important thing is that Schwarzenegger dominated the sport.  And that it brought him to the United States.  But Schwarzenegger wasn’t satisfied with being the most famous body builder of all times.  He wanted to conquer Hollywood as he had the world of body building.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Hercules in New York -1969

Schwarzenegger’s first film role was in the low-budget fantasy film, Hercules in New York.  Schwarzenegger was credited as “Arnold Strong” since his real name was thought to be too long for Americans to remember.  Schwarzenegger’s accent was so think that all of his dialogue was dubbed over.

It was an inauspicious start.  But it was a start.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – The Long Goodbye – 1973

Next, Schwarzenegger played a deaf-mute hitman in Robert Altman’s neo noir film, The Long Goodbye.

As a role that required him to be big without requiring him to speak, it played to all of his strengths while avoiding his obvious weaknesses.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Stay Hungry – 1976

In 1976, Schwarzenegger co-starred opposite Jeff Bridges and Sally Field in the Bob Rafelson’s body building drama, Stay Hungry.

Schwarzenegger didn’t exactly have to stretch as an actor.  He played an Austrian body builder named Joe Santo who is training for the Mr. Universe competition.  Despite the fact that he was basically playing himself, Schwarzenegger won a Golden Globe for “Best Acting Debut in a Motion Picture”.

This is especially odd since Stay Hungry was technically Schwarzenegger’s third film.  But since his dialogue was dubbed over in Hercules and he played a dead/mute in The Long Goodbye, Stay Hungry was the first film in which Schwarzenegger’s voice could be heard.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Pumping Iron – 1977

In 1977, Schwarzenegger literally appeared as himself in the body building documentary, Pumping Iron.  The film focused a lot of its attention on the rivalry between Schwarzenegger and future Incredible Hulk, Lou Ferrigno.

The film cast Ferrigno as a scrappy underdog and Schwarzenegger as a cocky villain.  For his part, Schwarzenegger claims to have played up his villain role.  Specifically, he cites the story of refusing to attend his father’s funeral as an example of a fabrication.  Although some claim that the story is actually true.

Regardless, Pumping Iron was a hit critically and commercially.  And although he wasn’t technically acting, the documentary helped raise Schwarzenegger’s profile outside of body building.

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The Incredible Hulk TV show

Around the same time, Schwarzenegger and Ferrigno found themselves competing again.  This time, for the role of the Incredible Hulk on the TV series of the same name.  This time, Ferrigno came out on top when Schwarzenegger was deemed too short for the role.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – The Villain – 1979

In 1979, Schwarzenegger starred opposite Anne Margret and Kirk Douglas in the Western parody, The Villain.

The Villain is basically a live-action road runner cartoon with Schwarzenegger’s Handsome Stranger in the good guy role and Kirk Douglas playing Wile E. Coyote.As bad as that sounds, The Villain actually manages to be worse than you would think.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Scavenger Hunt – 1979

That same year, he also had a cameo role in the Mad, Mad, Mad World-esque comedy, Scavenger Hunt.

How small was Schwarzenegger’s role?  Willie Aames got higher billing.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – The Jayne Mansfield Story – 1980

In 1980, Schwarzenegger starred opposite Loni Anderson in the TV movie, The Jane Mansfield Story.

Anderson played the legendary sexbomb of the 1950’s and Schwarzenegger played her body builder husband, Mickey Hargitay.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Conan the Barbarian – 1982

Schwarzenegger’s breakthrough film was John Milius’ 1982 fantasy film, Conan the Barbarian.

Because of the physicality of the film, Milius cast athletes in many of the key roles.  After seeing a rough cut of Pumping Iron, Milius decided that Schwarzenegger was perfect for the role of Conan.

Milius’ violent fantasy film polarized critics.  Many expected a film based on pulp novels and comic books to be more family friendly.  While some critics condemned the film for its violence, others praised it for creating such a uniquely adult fantasy world.

Despite mixed reviews, Conan was a solid hit at the box office.  However, Schwarzenegger earned his first Razzie for his stiff performance in the lead role.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Conan the Destroyer – 1984

In 1984, Schwarzenegger starred in the Conan sequel, Conan the Destroyer.  Producer Dino De Laurentiis thought the first film might have been more successful if it had been rated PG instead of R.  So he had the violence toned down for the sequel.

The end result is an odd mixture.  While less bloody than the original film, I’m still not sure it’s appropriate for the intended audience.  The entire plot centers around Conan trying to protect Olivia d’Abo’s virginity.  With Wilt Chamberlin also in the cast, that seems like a losing proposition.

Conan the Destroyer got mostly bad reviews.  And in spite of the PG-rating, it under-performed at the box office.  While still a modest success, it earned less than the original.

Schwarzenegger was supposed to make a third Conan film for De Laurentiis.  But by then, he had become a viable star without the Conan franchise.  Since he had fulfilled the terms of his contract, Conan the Conqueror would never be filmed.  Instead, the script was repurposed as Kull the Conqueror.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – The Terminator – 1984

In 1984, Schwarzenegger took a villain role that would change his career.  But at the time, he wasn’t all that excited about the movie.  He described The Terminator to a reporter on the set of Conan as “some shit movie I’m doing.”

If Schwarzenegger was less than excited about making The Terminator, director James Cameron was even less excited about casting him.  The studio wanted Schwarzenegger to play the heroic lead, Kyle Reese, because they viewed Schwarzenegger as an up-and-coming star with over-seas appeal.  But Cameron was concerned that if he cast a body builder for the hero, he would have to cast someone even bigger as the villain to make him a threat.

Cameron agreed to meet with Schwarzenegger to satisfy the studio.  But he intended to start a fight with him and tell the studio it hadn’t gone well.  Instead, he was pleasantly surprised by Schwarzenegger who kept talking about the villain role.  Orion had wanted to cast OJ Simpson as the Terminator.  But Cameron didn’t think Simpson would be believable as a killer.  At least one jury agreed with him.

During their meeting, Cameron asked Schwarzenegger to stop talking.  He started doing sketches of Schwarzenegger as the Terminator.  When he returned to the studio, he agreed to cast Schwarzenegger as the villain.

Expectations were low for The Terminator.  The studio didn’t even want to screen it for critics.  The modest science fiction movie received good reviews and was a solid hit at the box office.  While it was very profitable, it was not the runaway smash most people probably imagine.  It grossed less than $100 million.  But still, far more than anyone expected.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Red Sonja – 1985

In 1985, Schwarzenegger starred opposite the future Mrs. Sylvester Stallone, Brigitte Nielsen, in Red Sonja.

Red Sonja was basically a Conan spin-off although Conan did not appear in the film.  Schwarzenegger played a different character who was essentially a stand-in for Conan.  He would later refer to Red Sonja as the worst film of his career.

The movie got terrible reviews and flopped at the box office.  Thus ended the sword and sorcery stage of Schwarzenegger’s career.  Well, until he returns for another Conan movie anyway.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Commando – 1985

Later that year, Schwarzenegger starred in a movie that would set the tone for his career.  Commando was another relatively modest action movie.  But the over-the-top tone suited Schwarzenegger’s cartoonish proportions.

Commando was originally written for KISS frontman, Gene Simmons.  It was later rewritten for Nick Nolte who also passed.  Further rewrites were done when Schwarzenegger signed on.

Reviews for Commando were mixed.  But many critics appreciated that the movie didn’t take itself seriously.  Audiences agreed and made Commando the 7th-highest-grossing film of 1985 worldwide.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Raw Deal – 1986

In 1986, Schwarzenegger starred in Raw Deal.

Not a lot to say about Raw Deal.  It was generally considered a step backwards for Schwarzenegger after the surprise successes of Terminator and Commando.  Even so, it was compared favorably to Sylvester Stallone’s high-profile flop, Cobra.

On the upside, Raw Deal fulfilled Schwarzenegger’s contract to the De Laurentiis Entertainment Group so he was no longer obligated to star in the third Conan film.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Predator – 1987

In 1987, Schwarzenegger recovered from that speed bump with his biggest hit to date, Predator.

Predator was originally written as a joke.  After Rocky IV, people around Hollywood joked there was no one left for Rocky to fight.  They joked that Stallone would have to fight an alien in Rocky V.  As it turns out, that probably would have been better than the real Rocky V.

Joel Silver, who had produced Commando, approached Schwarzenegger to star.  Schwarzenegger liked the idea, but requested that a team of commandos be added to the script.  What started out as Rocky vs. Alien turned into a strange war movie, science fiction, horror hybrid.

The genius of Predator is that it looked like a regular Schwarzenegger movie.  The first 45 minutes or so plays like Commando.  But eventually, the alien shows up and the stakes are raised.  This allowed Schwarzenegger to top his previous films.

The initial reviews were largely negative.  But action audiences didn’t care.  Predator was a hit worldwide.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – The Running Man – 1987

Later that year, Schwarzenegger returned to science fiction with The Running Man.

The Running Man was very loosely based on a book by Stephen King.  Hollywood adapted it into a rip-off of Rollerball.  The highlight of the film was Richard Dawson’s villainous take on a smarmy game show host.  It was a darkly comedic take on the Family Feud host’s own public image.  But the rest of the film was pretty uninspired.

The Running Man got mixed reviews.  While it was profitable, it was far from the hit that Predator was.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Red Heat – 1988

In 1988, Schwarzenegger starred opposite Jim Belushi in the Cold War action-comedy, Red Heat.  Red Heat serves as a humbling reminder that even after The Terminator and Predator, Schwarzenegger was still at a place in his career where he could be paired opposite Jim Belushi.

Red Heat was directed by Walter Hill who was basically cashing in on the buddy cop formula he helped create in 48 Hours.  The movie got mixed reviews and did okay at the box office.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Twins – 1988

Later that year, Schwarzenegger starred opposite Danny DeVito in Ivan Reitman’s high concept comedy, Twins.

The entire movie is based around the gag that Schwarzenegger and DeVito look nothing alike.  DeVito played a variation of his usual screen personae and Schwarzenegger played his straight-man.  The pairing proved unbelievably successful.  Twins was by far the biggest movie of Schwarzenegger’s career to date.  The $15 million-dollar comedy grossed over $200-million dollars worldwide!

Reviews were largely negative, but that hardly mattered given the film’s incredible box office success.  That is why all these years later, the sequel Triplets is being developed.  If it comes to pass, Eddie Murphy will be added to the mix.  Which will probably prove to be successful, but it still makes me sad for everyone involved.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sharon Stone – Total Recall – 1990

In 1990, Schwarzenegger returned to his action and science fiction roots with Total Recall opposite Sharon Stone.

Total Recall was originally developed by Schwarzenegger’s old boss Dino De Laurentiis.  De Laurentiis had stars like Richard Dreyfus and later Patrick Swayze in mind.  Eventually, David Cronenberg was brought on board.  He spent a year developing Total Recall for William Hurt.  But Cronenberg’s vision was too close to the  Philip K. Dick novel.  The producers said they wanted “Raiders of the Lost Ark Goes to Mars” instead.  Which is a shame because I would have loved to have seen the Cronenberg version.

When De Laurentiis’s adaptation of Dune flopped at the box office, he lost interest in Total Recall.  Schwarzenegger had tried to get the film back on track, but De Laurentiis couldn’t be swayed.  Eventually, when  the De Laurentiis Entertainment Group collapsed, Schwarzenegger saw an opportunity and he took it.  He convinced Carlco to buy the rights from De Laurentiis.

After Twins, Schwarzenegger was a big enough star to call the shots.  Schwarzenegger’s first decision was a good one.  He recruited Robocop director, Paul Verhoeven.  This would give the film it’s unique satirical element that set it apart from typical sci-fi/action films.

While many considered the violence excessive, Total Recall received mostly positive reviews.  It also topped Twins at the box office.  Schwarzenegger was on a roll.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Kindergarten Cop – 1990

Later that year, Schwarzenegger reteamed with Ivan Reitman for another high concept comedy, Kindergarten Cop.

Like Twins, the entire movie hinges on the audience’s desire to see Schwarzenegger cast against type.  Cop has Schwarzenegger playing straight man to a classroom full of kids.  Penelope Ann Miller co-starred as a kindergarten teacher and Schwarzenegger’s love interest.

Kindergarten Cop got mixed reviews.  But like Twins, it was a big hit at the box office anyway.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Terminator 2: Judgment Day – 1991

In 1991, Schwarzenegger starred in Terminator 2: Judgment Day.

Cameron and Schwarzenegger had been trying for years to make a Terminator sequel.  But there were several obstacles including legal entanglements.  Once again, Schwarzenegger convinced Carlco to buy the rights so that the project could move forward.

Looking back, we all know that T2 was a huge hit worldwide.  But at the time, it seemed like a gamble.  The first Terminator film was almost a decade old.  And it wasn’t that big of a hit to begin with.  The budget for T2 had ballooned above $100 million dollars making it the most expensive movie ever made at the time.

Obviously, the gamble paid off.  Terminator 2 got mostly good reviews and was a huge box office smash.  Schwarzenegger was now the biggest movie star on the planet.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Last Action Hero – 1993

Unfortunately, that meant there was nowhere for Schwarzenegger to go but down.  In 1993, he sought to satirize his movie star status with the action/comedy, The Last Action Hero.

The Last Action Hero was an attempt by Schwarzenegger to reinvent his image.  He was trying to move away from the violent movies that made him famous into more family-friendly territory.  Unfortunately the film, which reuinted Schwarzenegger with his Predator director, John McTiernan, didn’t satisfy any of his fans.

Last Action Hero didn’t just flop.  It was a public embarrassment that threatened to derail Schwarzenegger’s career.  The reviews were bad.  Schwarzenegger was nominated for a Razzie for the first time since Conan.  And Sony declares a loss of $26 million dollars.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – True Lies – 1994

Fortunately, Schwarzenegger had an ace up his sleeve in the form of James Cameron.  He reteamed with his Terminator director for the action/comedy True Lies.

Believe it or not, True Lies was actually a remake of a French farce on marital issues.  The Americanized version was a return to form for Schwarzenegger.

Despite some complaints of sexism and racism, True Lies received mostly positive reviews.  And while it didn’t match the box office of T2, it was still a big hit at the box office.

Tom Arnold and Eliza Dushku are still trying to get a sequel made.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Junior – 1994

Later that year, Schwarzenegger reteamed with Danny Devito and their Twins director Ivan Reitman for another high-concept comedy, Junior.  This time, the gag was that Schwarzenegger got pregnant.

Junior proved to be a mixed bag.  Reviews were generally negative.  But critics Roger Ebert and Gene Siskel were high profile exceptions.  Schwarzenegger was actually nominated for a Golden Globe!  Domestically, Junior bombed.  It opened in fourth place behind Interview With a Vampire which had been in theaters for three weeks.  It grossed under $40 million dollars in the US – even less than Schwarzenegger’s previous flop, Last Action Hero.  Fortunately, Junior fared much better overseas where it grossed nearly twice as much in the US.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Eraser – 1996

Schwarzenegger was developing a pattern.  He released an action film in the summer and a comedy for the holidays.  In 1996, the action film was Eraser.

Eraser couldn’t help but feel like a step backwards for Schwarzenegger.  Up until now, his action films usually featured something that made them special.  Frequently, he managed to up the ante on his previous films.  But, Eraser felt like a pretty standard action film.

Reviews were negative.  But audiences still loved Schwarzenegger in action movies.  While Eraser wasn’t as big of a hit as True Lies, it was still a big hit at the box office.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Jingle All the Way – 1996

Later that year, he starred opposite Sinbad in the Christmas comedy, Jingle All the Way.

Jingle All the Way lacked the high concept of Schwarzenegger’s previous comedies.  As a result, it felt like a smaller film.  Like a film that would co-star Sinbad.

Not surprisingly, the reviews were bad.  It actually performed pretty well at the box office.  Better than Junior, but not as well as Twins or Kindergarten Cop.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Batman & Robin – 1997

Schwarzenegger’s career was cooling down.  If he didn’t have a hit soon, he was in danger of being put on ice.  He had to tell his fans to “chill out”.  Now imagine all those puns delivered in a thick Austrian accent and you have a rough idea of what it is like to sit through 1997’s Batman and Robin.

Batman and Robin is largely remembered as the movie that killed the lucrative Batman film franchise of the 90s.  After the success of Joel Schumacher’s Batman Forever, Warner Bros couldn’t wait to make a sequel.  They wanted it fast and their focus was on using it to sell toys.

The end result was just a mess.  It took all of the worst elements of Batman Forever and blew them up to gigantic proportions.  The film opened at number one, but it quickly fell off in subsequent weeks.  A planned sequel was cancelled.  Schwarzenegger’s career suffered and Alicia Silverstone’s career was more or less killed.

Only George Clooney emerged unscathed.

Schwarzenegger was nominated for a well-deserved Razzie.  How chilling!

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – End of Days – 1999

You could sense Schwarzenegger’s career losing momentum.  He took some time off before returning to the screen in the 1999 action thriller, End of Days.

End of Days was an apocalyptic thriller directed by Peter Hyams and co-starring Gabriel Byrne as the devil.  The ingredients were there, but they failed to come together.

End of Days received negative reviews and bombed in the US.  It fared better overseas.  But that was cold comfort to the studio.

Man, once you start with the cold puns, it’s really hard to stop!

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – The 6th Day – 2000

Schwarzenegger attempted to recover with a return to science fiction.  The genre had always been good to him.  But the 2000 clone flick The 6th Day was another box office disappointment.

Schwarzenegger received not one but 3 Razzie nominations.  Since he played both the main character and a clone of the main character, he was nominated for Worst Actor, Worst Supporting Actor and Worst Screen Couple.

After End of Days and The 6th Day, Schwarzenegger vowed to stop making movies with “Day” in the title.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Collateral Damage – 2002

Collateral Damage was originally schedule for release in October of 2001.  But following the 9/11 attacks, it was delayed.

The plot included a scene in which a plane was hijacked.  But that scene was removed before the film was eventually released in 2002.

Post 9/11, audiences no longer had an appetite for the kind of action films that made Schwarzenegger a star.  Collateral Damage bombed with critics and audiences.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines – 2003

By this point, there was only one way to save Schwarzenegger’s flagging career.  He needed the Terminator.

Unfortunately for Schwarzenegger, James Cameron wasn’t interested in returning to the franchise.  But he gave Schwarzenegger his blessing to carry on without him.  The result was the acceptable but pedestrian Terminator 3.

T3 got mixed to positive reviews.  It did well enough at the box office.  But it felt like one final cash grab.  It didn’t exactly end the franchise, but it came close.

A TV show followed which ignored T3.  In 2009, the Terminator franchise would be rebooted with Terminator: Salvation.  Schwarzenegger’s image appeared in that film through CGI.  But the reboot didn’t take.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Around the World in 80 Days – 2004

In 2004, Schwarzenegger appeared in his final film before “retiring” to pursue politics.  It was a cameo role in the Jackie Chan remake of Around the World in 80 Days.

I don’t think many people even realized Schwarzenegger was in the movie.  Or that the movie existed.  But the Razzie folks took the opportunity to kick Schwarzenegger on his way out.  He was nominated for a Razzie for Worst Supporting Actor and given a special award for Worst Razzie Loser of Our First 25 Years.

Someone in the comments section is going to come along and talk about how unfair the Razzies are and I won’t disagree with them.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Governor of California – 2003

In 2003, Schwarzenegger was elected to Governor of California in a special recall election.  A total recall, if you will.  Sorry about that.  It seemed like another seemless career transition for the former body builder.  But politics proved more difficult than acting.  And in 2011, Schwarzenegger announced he was returning to acting.

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The Governator cartoon

Originally, Schwarzenegger was scheduled to return in the form of a cartoon produced by comic book legend, Stan Lee.  Schwarzenegger would play The Governator, a secret agent with parallels to Schwarzenegger’s real life.  Frankly, it sounded awful.  Even worse than Lee’s previous cartoon collaboration with a cartoonish celebrity, Striperella with Pamela Anderson.

Fortunately, The Governator cartoon never happened.  Around this time, rumors started to spread about Schwarzenegger’s personal life.  There had long been rumors about steroid use and sexual misconduct.  But while Schwarzenegger was successful, nothing much came of the allegations.  But this time, it was discovered that Schwarzenegger had a child out-of-wedlock with their housekeeper.

The revelation ended Schwarzenegger’s marriage to Maria Shriver.  And the scandal resulted in the cancellation of The Governator cartoon which was to have featured Schwarzenegger’s real life.

I honestly can’t believe the idea got as far as it did.  Stan, cut it out.

Schwarzenegger’s return to acting was put on temporary hold.  He released an autobiography entitled Total Recall in which he discussed his marital infidelities.  A cynical man (such as myself) might see this as a crass attempt to profit from his indiscretions while attempting to get back into America’s good graces.  Although I really don’t think it matters all that much.  Audiences have proven they don’t care about these things.

Reportedly, Schwarzenegger turned down $40 million dollars to star in two Terminator movies.  Instead, he has chosen to return to the Conan franchise.  It has been described as Schwarzenegger’s Unforgiven in that he is returning to his roots.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – The Expendables – 2010

In 2010, Schwarzenegger appeared in Sylvester Stallone’s ode to action has-beens, The Expendables.

The cameo was basically an in-joke between the former action stars.  But it could also have been an attempt by the then-governor to test the waters.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone – The Expendables 2 – 2012

Against all odds, The Expendables was a hit which rejuvenated the dormant career of Stallone.  So in 2012, a sequel followed.

In the first film, it was almost like Schwarzenegger and Bruce Willis were doing Stallone a favor by appearing in his movie.  Stallone’s career was that far gone.  But after the first film was a hit, Schwarzenegger and Willis both agreed to bigger roles in the sequel.

Expendables 2 was another hit for the aging action stars.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – The Last Stand – 2013

Schwarzenegger returned to leading roles in 2013 with The Last Stand.

Schwarzenegger played a sheriff in a town besieged by… drug dealers I think.  I don’t know.  I haven’t seen it.

Reviews were mixed, but the movie opened at an embarrassing 10th place at the box office.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sylvester Stallone – The Escape Plan – 2013

Later that year, Schwarzenegger co-starred opposite his long-time rival, Stallone in the prison movie, The Escape Plan.

Stallone played a security expert who is framed for a crime he didn’t commit and incarcerated in the world’s most secure prison.  Schawrzenegger played a fellow inmate who helps him escape.

There was a time when the pairing of Stallone and Schwarzenegger would have been a sure fire blockbuster.  But that time was at least 20 years ago.  The Escape Plan opened to mixed reviews and tanked at the box office.  It opened in 4th place at the box office behind the remake of Carrie which also flopped.  Fortunately for the action heroes, The Escape Plan performed much better overseas.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Sabotage – 2014

In 2014, Schwarzenegger starred in the crime thriller, Sabotage.

Schwarzenegger played the leader of an elite DEA task force who busts a drug cartel.  After 10 million dollars confiscated during the bust goes missing, Schwarzenegger’s team is under suspicion.  And the cartel starts picking them off one at a time.

Sabotage was panned by critics and flopped at the box office.  It opened in 7th place.  It was outperformed by The Grand Budapest Hotel which had been playing for four weeks!  Unlike The Escape Plan, Sabotage did not perform well internationally either.  It was just a bomb.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – The Expendables 3 – 2014

Later that year, Schwarzenegger returned to the lucrative Expendables franchise for The Expendables 3.

This was the first film in the series to receive a PG-13 rating.  After a public falling out with Stallone over his salary, Bruce Willis dropped out of the picture and was replaced by Harrison Ford.  Mel Gibson, Wesley Snipes, Antonio Banderas and Kelsey Grammer also joined the cast.

Reviews were bad and the movie opened in third place at the box office.  A few weeks before the official release date, The Expendables 3 was leaked on the internet.  That had to hurt its prospects at the box office.  Also, it was facing stiffer-than-usual for late summer competition from the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles and The Guardians of the Galaxy both of which over-performed.

It’s too early to say whether or not this is a franchise killer for The Expendables.  Dozens of aging action heroes hope it isn’t.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger and Christian Slater – Two and a Half Men – 2015

In 2015, Schwarzenegger appeared in the series finale of the long-running sitcom, Two and a Half Men.  Schwarzenegger played a cop who investigates the possibility that Charlie Sheen’s character might still be alive.  The whole thing is an excuse for a ton of meta commentary on Sheen and the show itself.  Christian Slater shows up as himself after Schwarzenegger mistakes him for Charlie.

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Arnold Schwarzenegger – Maggie – 2015

Later that year, Schwarzenegger starred in the zombie drama, Maggie.

Yes, I said “zombie drama”.  Unlike most entries in the genre, Maggie is more tragic than it is scary.  Schwarzenegger played the father whose daughter is slowly turning into a zombie.  Abigail Breslin played his daughter who essentially has a terminal disease.  As a father, Schwarzenegger grapples with the loss as it is happening.

Maggie was the lowest-budgeted movie of Schwarzenegger’s career post-Terminator.  The budget is just over $1 million dollars which is probably the catering budget on some of his previous releases.  Originally, Maggies was scheduled for release at the 2014 Toronto International Film Festival.  But when Lionsgate bought the rights to release the movie in America, it pulled the movie from the Canadian film festival.  Instead, Maggie premiered at the Tribeca Film Festival the following year.

Reviews were mixed, but praise for the performances by Schwarzenegger and Breslin was nearly universal.  Overall, critics liked the concept but complained that the pacing was slow.  The ending is inevitable and it takes a while to get there.  Following Tribeca, Maggie received a limited release on just under 80 theaters.  During its two-week run, it grossed just under $200,000.  Maggie also had a simultaneous release on video on demand making its true profitability hard to gauge.

Arnold Schwarzenegger - Terminator: Genisys - 2015
Arnold Schwarzenegger – Terminator: Genisys – 2015

Up to this point, Schwarzenegger’s post-political movie career had been a bit underwhelming.  Maybe even disappointing.  Aside from his participation in The Expendables movies, none of his movies were hits.  And when it came to The Expendables, Schwarzenegger was clearly along for the ride.  The true test of whether or not Schwarzengger’s comeback would take would be his return to the Terminator franchise.  In 2015, he was back.

The plot for Terminator: Genisys is a bit complicated.  Some fans reacted to the first trailer with confusion and anger.  It seemed like the next Terminator movie was throwing out all of the canon of the existing films.  In the new movie, when Kyle Reese returns to 1984 to save Sarah Connor, she doesn’t appear to need saving.  

The previous Terminator film, McG’s Terminator: Salvation, was made without participation from any of the series regulars.  It ended up being a box office disappointment.  Planned sequels were scrapped largely due to financial issues.  There was some wrangling over the rights.  Once the ownership issues were settled, it was announced that Schwarzenegger would return to the series.

Terminator creator, James Cameron, voiced his support for the sequel which I’m sure was not at all motivated by his friendship with Schwarzenegger who clearly needed the movie to be a hit. Critics were a lot less enthusiastic than Cameron presumably because they had no personal stake in the success or failure of the movie.  By and large, the critics found Terminator: Genisys to be as disappointing as it is hard to spell.

“Disappointing” was also descriptive of the movie’s box officer performance.  It opened in third place behind Jurassic World which had been in theaters for a four weeks already.  As it stands, it’s very unlikely to recoup its $155 million dollar production costs in the US.  Fortunately, Terminator 5 performed significantly better in the foreign market where it will likely turn a profit.  Maybe even a big enough profit to warrant additional sequels.

So, what the hell happened?

Schwarzenegger started his movie career at the perfect time.  Action heroes were built like tanks.  And Schwarzenegger was the biggest tank of all.  He worked with great directors like Cameron and Verhoven.  And then he branched off into comedy with Twins – something Stallone tried and failed to do.  But then, tastes changed.  Muscled up action heroes gave way to every-day heroes.  The Bourne franchise changed action movies for the 21st century.  After 9/11, Schwarzenegger and his brand of action seemed like a relic of a by-gone day.

As his movie career was showing signs of “girliness”, Schwarzenegger jumped ship into politics where he was initially successful.  But his political career didn’t last all that long and soon he retreated back to movies.  He returned to a changed landscape.  Big action stars like Schwarzenegger were only sought after for their nostalgic value.  Concept is king.  You don’t need to cast a major movie star anymore when you can fill the screen with CGI super heroes and dinosaurs.  Schwarzenegger, like further sequels to The Terminator, is not necessary.

But that doesn’t mean he is irrelevant.  In Terminator: Genisys, he has a line that he is “old, but not obsolete”.  That phrase could be applied to the actor as well as the character.  There may be future Terminator or Expendables movies in the actor’s future.  He is also slated to revisit Conan at some point in the future and possible Twins.  But even if those big franchise pictures don’t work out, he has shown that he may have a future in smaller more dramatic movies or supporting roles.

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Smaktakula
11 years ago

Wow! What a thorough piece…there is much to say about Mr. S, some of it good.

Quite a bit of this information was new to me, although I had previously heard that studio execs wanted the Juice to play the death robot from the future. I’ve always wondered if that was apocryphal.

But as to the secret of Schwarzenegger’s success, it’s pure ruthless determination. “Pumping Iron” really shows what a gamesman he is, getting inside people’s heads. Very interesting guy, and not an accidental success by any means.

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11 years ago
Reply to  Smaktakula

Even now, you can see the ruthless determination as he plots his comeback. That autobiography was a brilliant touch!

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admin
11 years ago

Ah yes!
This one has been coming for a while now, hasn’t it? It’s interesting how many of his films are so forgettable while he also appeared in four or five iconic mega-hits.
Thanks for the Wilt Chamberlain line, by the way, I literally laughed out loud.
My friends and I found out about Total Recall being initially a Richard Dreyfuss vehicle and started working his name into every Schwarzenegger imitation we ever did. For. Like. YEARS.

Dreyfuss became the living embodiment of everything that was antithetical to Swarzenegger. We thought it was hysterical at the time.

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11 years ago
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Yep, this one was in draft form for over a month. But the delay was mostly due to my daily Disney World updates. The weekly TV recaps didn’t help. This week I decided it was time to plow through and finish the darn thing.

The Dreyfus bit sounds pretty funny. Had to be funnier than the Hans and Franz impressions my friends and I were doing at the time.

Faur
11 years ago

I echo the props for the Wilt Chamberlain joke. That was textbook.

I know what a sleazebag he is, but god help me, I will never stop thinking Arnold is awesome. If I had lived in California when he was running for governor, I would have voted for him, and I’ve never voted Republican in my life. I would cross party lines because he was in movies I like! I know it makes me shallow, but what are you gonna do. God help me if Van Damme ever runs for office as a Republican.

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11 years ago
Reply to  Faur

I’m glad the Chamberlain joke landed. I was worried it was too obvious. I almost left it out.

In general, I don’t let entertainer’s personal lives interfere with my enjoyment of their work. Ah-nuld may be a sleaze in real life, but I don’t really care. His movies were generally more fun than other action heroes of the 80s. I don’t think I could have voted for Gov Conan. But I guess we’ll never know.

Faur
11 years ago
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I’ve become the same way over the years. People who rise to the top of their fields, especially something as competitive and frustrating as movies, tend to get there by being self-centered and ruthless. When Michael Jordan gave his NBA Hall of Fame induction speech, a more callow me was taken aback to hear him actually say what he said, but then I realized that Jordan couldn’t have been the player he was without being driven to be better than everyone else, whatever it took. It’s a hard lesson of life that the people you admire aren’t always the people… Read more »

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11 years ago
Reply to  Faur

Well put. Very true.

Jake
Jake
11 years ago

As bad as “Conan the Destroyer” is, “Kull the Conqueror” is even worse because Sorbo just played Hercules with different clothes (which pretty much describes his shitty Andromeda series, too).

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11 years ago
Reply to  Jake

Plus, no Olivia D’Abo. As a young teen, I watched Conan the Destroyer over and over again.

seandaniel1966
11 years ago

Great article! Two things to note: 1. Arnie asked if he could dub the German version of Terminator, and was told ‘no’. To Germans, his accent is of a poor farmer.

2. Everybody I knew, including me, was foaming at the mouth for T2. I saw it on opening day with all of my friends, and the theater was a madhouse. So, I think that T2 was expected to be a big hit.

It didn’t hurt that it’s an awesome film. Too bad about that kid that was in it.

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11 years ago
Reply to  seandaniel1966

T2 followed the usual Cameron formula. Cameron goes way over budget. Hollywood types snicker and predict failure. Obviously, it panned out in the end. So did Titanic. So did Avatar. But leading up to T2‘s release, there were plenty of people expecting T2 to be a costly disaster.

I have learned never to bet against Cameron.

seandaniel1966
11 years ago
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Notice that I stopped talking about Arnie after T2. That was his last decent film, in my opinion. T3 was very disappointing to me.

One thing, though. In ‘Around the World in 80 Days’, you see that Arnold is a very small man. Odd.

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11 years ago
Reply to  seandaniel1966

I like True Lies quite a bit. But after that, yeah, nothing worth discussing.

What surprised me was how little the first Terminator actually did for his career and how much Twins did. Twins really stepped him up a notch. T2 obviously put him over the top. But Twins is arguably the movie that cemented Ah-nuld as a star.

seandaniel1966
11 years ago
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I forgot about True Lies. That was a really good movie. Tom Arnold was funny, and Jamie Lee Curtis brought the whole thing together.

I don’t really remember Twins that much. Just that it was silly.

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11 years ago
Reply to  seandaniel1966

I am still baffled by how successful Twins was. The entire joke was on the movie poster. I guess other people like high concept comedy more than I do. It blows my mind that Triplets may happen.

seandaniel1966
11 years ago
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I had heard years ago that Arnold was a sexist bastard, but now he’s in the same category as Mel Gibson….to me at least. I won’t be going to see his future films.

On a different note, Arnie makes a Cameo in The Rundown. He says ‘good luck’ or something like that to the Rock at the beginning of the film – supposedly passing the action torch to Dwayne Johnson.

Do you think that torch was passed? I’m not so sure…

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11 years ago
Reply to  seandaniel1966

Yeah, I left off the Rundown cameo. Just didn’t seem significant. I’m not sure there was a torch to pass. Post 9/11, Americans lost interest in the super-sized action heroes of the 80s and 90s. Pretty much all of them died out and were replaced by regular Joes like Matt Damon.

The Rock has done well enough. And I guess he is Arnie’s heir apparent. But as successful as he is, I doubt he will ever be anywhere near as big as Ah-nuld at his peak.

Paul S
11 years ago

As always thanks for another enjoyable entry in the series, you certainly filled in a lot of gaps in my Arnie knowledge, especially regarding his personal problems of the last few years.
Reading your article I was surprised how many of his movies I’d seen at the cinema. One of my old college buddies was a big Arnie fan and dragged me along to most of his action movies from Terminator 2 up to Eraser, I even saw The Last Action hero, although I drew the line at Kindergarten Cop and Twins.
Please tell me Triplets is a joke!

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11 years ago
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I wish I could tell you Triplets is a joke. At first, I assumed it was. It is actually frighteningly real. But remember that Twins grossed over $200 million dollars in the 1980’s. It was a super-smash. So, I can understand the desire to go back to that well even if decades have passed. Sure, it’s a terrible idea. But it was a terrible idea then too. Like you, I saw a lot of Arnie’s movies in the theater without necessarily being a fan. I saw Kindergarten Cop out of loyalty to Penelope Ann Miller. She was a pretty major… Read more »

seandaniel1966
11 years ago
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I hope they paid you a LOT. lol

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11 years ago
Reply to  seandaniel1966

Not nearly enough. 😉

Truth is, they were watchable. Even Schwarzenegger’s bad movies were still pretty watchable. I had to endure far worse.

ldeacon
11 years ago

This made my day! Lots of great and curious things I didn’t know. Crossing my fingers for some serious blockbusters in 2013.

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11 years ago
Reply to  ldeacon

Glad you liked it. I learned a few new things researching the article which is always fun for me.

Jake
Jake
11 years ago

Cronenberg’s take on “Total Recall” would’ve been interesting, but I loved the 1990 film (the less said about the remake the better) because it was exciting &, while he still flexed his muscles, Arnold showed more vulnerability on screen than he had previously, which made the film unique.

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11 years ago
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Don’t get me wrong, I enjoyed Verhoeven’s take on TR. I rewatched it recently and enjoyed the old school special effects and Verhoeven’s unique brand of satire. It’s a fun movie. But I’d love to visit an alternate universe where I could watch the Cronenberg version starring William Hurt that stuck close to the source material. I’m pretty sure the two movies could have co-existed.

Haven’t seen the remake, but I have heard it was awful.

tbob1
11 years ago

With Arnie you know what you’re getting. He packaged himself very well as his career progressed. He morphed himself from a hulking menace into the loveable brute which dominated every character he played since the Conan days. He’s pre-sliced ham which perfectly describes his acting abilities as well!

On a side note:

“But Cameron didn’t think Simpson would be believable as a killer. At least one jury agreed with him.”

How long have you been holding that one in the vault?!? 😉

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11 years ago
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I credit Arnie with a lot of things. He’s an incredibly shrewd businessman. He has a ton of charisma which translates to star power. I don’t believe that can be taught. You either have that or you don’t. And he recognized that he was a commodity and knew how to package that. Ah-nuld also has a reputation for selling his movies to the public. Celebs hate promoting their films. But Schwarzenegger thrived on it. Believe it or not, the OJ line was spontaneous. Most of my jokes are. I put a lot of effort into the research, but the jokes… Read more »

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andymovieman
11 years ago

well, lebeau it’s been a while. how’ve you been? now i see you are talking about arnold’s career. well since you’ve mentioned some of the films arnold did that were great i would have to mention my all time favorite films from arnold which you would already know so here goes. (1) conan the barbarian (2) the terminator (3) red sonja (4) commando (5) predator (6) red heat (7) twins (8) total recall (9) kindergarten cop (10) terminator 2 (11) last action hero (12) true lies (13) eraser (14) jingle all the way (15) end of days (16) sixth day… Read more »

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11 years ago
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Hey Andy! I was wondering where you went. I have to admit, I was kind of hoping this article would bring you back. Good to hear from you. Big fan of Red Sonja, huh? I have to admit, I haven’t seen that one since I was a kid. But I don’t think I am going to subject myself to a second viewing. Conan the Conqueror is in the works. And it won’t be aimed at kids like Conan the Destroyer was. I think there is definitely some potential in the idea. It’s bound to be a lot better than the… Read more »

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andymovieman
11 years ago

if they make a terminator film i hope they make it true to the james cameron films and bring back arnold and the rest of the cast. get a good villian to go up against arnold. a male villian like the T1000 or something. i’d have to say the arnold villian and the T1000 are my all time favorite villians in the terminator movies. tx was alright but it could have more of a male terminator than a female one. i’m not saying this to be sexist. i’m saying this so arnold would have to fight a male terminator of… Read more »

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11 years ago
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Do you think Arnold could still play a cyborg at his age? He looks pretty different than the first T1000 we saw in the 80s.

andymovieman
andymovieman
11 years ago

well he looks like he could still do the role again. that and conan and a lot of other good films that he did defined him as an action star. if bruce willis could do another red and a fifth die hard and sly could do another rambo, then schwarzenegger could do another terminator, conan and twins. i think he should do another true lies, commando and eraser and maybe predator. he, charles bronson, clint eastwood, chuck norris, mel gibson, harrison ford and stallone helped spawn other good action stars of the 70s, 80s, 90s and present. i enjoy the… Read more »

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andymovieman
11 years ago

arnold can still do great films. expendables 2 showed that he came back and worked with guys of his caliber as action stars. i liked how he worked with stallone and willis. i would love to see willis and schwarzenegger do a movie together besides expendables, since stallone is doing another film with schwarzenegger like the tomb. that is what i want to see from arnold and bruce. a movie similar to last boy scout and eraser and all their good films combined including die hard and terminator.

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11 years ago
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I think Arnold has a really good chance at a come back.

andymovieman
andymovieman
11 years ago

glad to hear it.

andymovieman
andymovieman
11 years ago

there are action stars that are still great making good films over 50 and there is nothing wrong with that. arnold, bruce and sly made it great by returning to their franchises that they were so popular for and now working together in the expendables films. not bad at all for arnold. i would still like to see some of arnold’s new films like last stand, the tomb with stallone, and ten. plus sequels to conan, twins, terminator, true lies, eraser and even commando if he will do them all. if he doesn’t that’s ok. i just want him to… Read more »

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andymovieman
11 years ago

arnold has been and will always be the king of 80s and 90s action films you know? of good action films, not crappy ones.

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11 years ago
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They can’t take away Arnold’s King of the 80’s/90’s action star crown. That’s historical fact. He reigned.

I don’t think he can ever reach those heights again. But I think he can capitalize on nostalgia for the pre-9/11 era and stage a nice little comeback.

andymovieman
andymovieman
11 years ago

that’s all right unless the rock and vin diesel and jason statham are the kings of 2000 to 2010. i’m ok with that. to me arnold and sly and bruce willis, chuck norris jean claude van damme, dolph lundgren proved that they do good action movies even with each other. i kind of wish clint eastwood and charles bronson did an action film together years ago like arnold and sly did. i don’t give a damn anymore about johnny depp, brad pitt and george clooney if they think they are the kings of action, even if it’s a shoe in.… Read more »

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11 years ago
Reply to  andymovieman

I’m not sure if there is a current king of action. Since 9/11, the action genre has changed so much. Nowadays we get dramatic actors like Matt Damon dabbling in action instead of action heroes who spend most of their career doing action movies.

There definitely seems to be a wave of nostalgia for those old fashioned action movies though.

Terrence Michael Clay
11 years ago
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This is kind of ironic because if anything, “Die Hard” w/ Bruce Willis was groundbreaking for its time because in part, had a normal, blue-color guy (instead somebody looking like a physical specie like Arnold or Sylvester Stallone) as the hero. If I had to pinpoint why Arnold Schwarzengger’s star power dwindled so to speak. I do think not only the 9/11 factor, and negative response to “Batman & Robin” (it really I feel, hurt Arnold’s credibility as a box office star and he was pretty much playing an exaggerated version of himself as a tragic villain like Mr. Freeze),… Read more »

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11 years ago
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He’s not expected to be a star at 66. Pretty much the only criteria for a write-up at this point is that the actor or actress in question have a rise and fall. Schwarzenegger was at one point the biggest movie star in the world. And then a few years later, his career hit the skids. Post 9-11 his movie career was in shambles along with all the other action heroes of the 80s (except for some reason Bruce Willis). WTHH isn’t about having a career cut short. Look at Nicolas Cage! That guy’s career is never-ending. And he’s still… Read more »

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11 years ago
Reply to  andymovieman

If I do a deceased actor (and I probably will eventually) Swayze will probably be the first. If he were still alive, I would have written him up already. I just feel a little weird asking “WTHH” when the answer is that he died. But I will eventually get past that.

Right now I’m pretty much feeding requests into the poll and whoever rises to the top of the poll gets the write-up. I try to alternate genders but other than that I follow the will of the people. 😉

andymovieman
andymovieman
11 years ago

i wonder how schwarzenegger would have done judge dredd in 1995 instead of stallone. i would have loved to see him play judge dredd. it would have been like watching robocop, blade runner, terminator, die hard and dirty harry rolled into one. i’m glad the arnold total recall is better than the new total recall.

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11 years ago
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I haven’t seen it yet, but I have heard pretty good things about the new Judge Dredd with Karl Urban. The problem with casting Stallone or Scharzenegger in a role like that is that it stops being a Judge Dredd movie and becomes and Stallone or Schwarzenegger movie. There’s nothing wrong with that per se. But it defeats the purpose of making a Judge Dredd movie in the first place. Having said that, I think the movie would have been much better with Schwarzenegger than with Stallone. Judge Dredd was a very troubled production and a lot of that came… Read more »

seandaniel1966
11 years ago
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The new Dredd film is pretty darn good. It doesn’t try to be something it isn’t, and the plot is very simple. The only drawback is that the usually awesome Lena Headey is not so awesome in this film….although the makeup artists did an extremely good job at making her look like an ex-hooker meth head.

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11 years ago
Reply to  seandaniel1966

Might need to Red Box that one. Reviews were pretty bad when it came out, but fans seem to really like it.

seandaniel1966
11 years ago
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I was wary of the reviews, too. But now I have seen it twice. It opens with a brutal shootout, then spends the rest of the movie with Dredd bonding with his trainee in a monster building controlled by a druglord played by Headey. Simple and to the point, just like the comic. Considering that it could have been much worse, the humor is downplayed, and the action is realistic.

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9 years ago
Reply to  seandaniel1966

It even meets the Bechdel (feminist) movie test! Try that with an average ’80’s action movie-

Terrence Michael Clay
11 years ago
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The thing about Arnold Schwarzenegger is that he’s really more of a personality (not that isn’t necessarily a negative thing) than he is an actual actor. When you go see one of his movies, it’s easily to except him to pretty much play himself (but Arnold at least as a certain presence and charisma to get away with it most of the time).

Terrence Michael Clay
10 years ago
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They Believed The Hype (And It Blew Up In Their Face): 15 Celebrities Whose Careers Were Hurt By Hubris: http://styleblazer.com/131706/they-believed-the-hype-and-it-blew-up-in-their-face-15-celebrities-whose-careers-were-hurt-by-hubris/9/ Sylvester Stallone, also saw his ego deflated following the failure that was Judge Dredd. The film was the dream project of director Danny Cannon, who licensed the comic book satire during the 80s with hopes to make a faithful, subversive sci-fi film. When he finally saw his dream come to fruition in 1995 Cannon discovered he was making a Stallone film instead. According to Cannon, Stallone and the studio instigated a number of changes to the film that left it… Read more »

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andymovieman
11 years ago

i see your point. i think arnold or dolph lundgren would have been a good judge dredd. at least rambo was the only character from a book stallone could control more than judge dredd, right?

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11 years ago
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There’s definitely more flexibility with a character like Rambo. First Blood, the novel, didn’t have legions of devoted followers. Not that Judge Dredd is all that popular in the US either. But Stallone and co were adapting a single book. You can get away with making a lot of changes. Especially when the book isn’t huge to begin with. With Judge Dredd, there were years of comic book stories that depicted the character a certain way. If you are going to throw all that out, there’s not a lot of point in making a Judge Dredd movie. If the character… Read more »

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andymovieman
11 years ago

i heard the last stand got good reviews even though it didn’t do well in the box office same with the new judge dredd. i really want to see both of them so badly.

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11 years ago
Reply to  andymovieman

Currently, it’s got a 59% ranking on Rotten Tomatoes which isn’t great. But it’s not bad either. Audiences are kinder with a 70% ranking.

The Last Stand was never going to be Arnold’s comeback movie. It’s him working out the kinks. Conan will be the make-or-break movie for his comeback.

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11 years ago
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