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Worst To First: Ranking the Terminator Movies

Terminator Movie Posters

This week, the latest Terminator movie, Terminator Genisys, was released to video.  Based on the movie’s underwhelming domestic grosses, a lot of you probably decided to skip Genisys in theaters.  Now that everyone can run out to Redbox to pick up a copy, I thought it would be a fine time to see where the fifth entry in the Terminator series fits in.  First, I’m going to rank the Terminator movies from worst to first and then you will get a chance to do the same.

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5. Terminator Salvation (2009)

Summary: Salvation was anything but for the Terminator franchise.  At the time Salvation was made, Arnold Schwarzenegger was the governor of California.  Officially, he had retired from acting so his involvement would be limited.  But that didn’t deter the Halcyon Company from trying to reboot the franchise.  They had recently acquired the rights to the series and they wanted to start capitalizing on it.  They hired Charlie’s Angels director, McG, to helm the movie which would be set in the post-apocalyptic world after Judgement Day.

The plan was to create a new character as the lead who would be influenced by John Connor in much the same way Ben Hur crossed paths with Jesus.  The script went through several rewrites and John Connor’s part was increased, but the messianic imagery remained.  At one point, script details leaked on the internet which lead to a complete rewrite of the movie’s ending.  The movie was supposed to end with John Connor dying.  His face would then be grafted onto a machine who would go on to lead the resistance.  But in a final twist, the machine’s programming would kick in and he would kill all of the remaining human characters.  Instead, the movie’s third act was rewritten to be less of a gut punch.

What’s Good: After having been teased with glimpses of the apocalypse in the previous movies, Salvation promised to be the movie fans wanted to see.  We would finally get to see the battle between man and machine that had only been hinted at in the original trilogy.  The movie boasted a strong cast including then-current Batman Christian Bale and Sam Worthington when he was still the rising star from Avatar instead of that guy who was in Avatar.  The supporting cast included Anton Yelchin, Moon Bloodgood, Bryce Dallas Howard, Helena Bonham Carter and Michael Ironside.

What’s Bad: Whatever flaws the other Terminator movies may have, they are all a lot more fun that Salvation.  From the beginning, the Terminator movies have had a little B-movie in them.  But McG decided to make Salvation deathly serious.  In post production, the film was desaturated which gave the movie a colorless, drab look.  Perhaps due to the many rewrites, the story never builds any momentum.  Salvation is just a chore to sit through.

John Connor Curse: Many of the actors who have played humanity’s last hope, John Connor, have had a tough time of things which has lead some to speculate about a John Connor curse.  Christian Bale, who played Connor in Salvation, currently has a very vital career.  But at the time the movie was released, Bale made headlines when a recording was leaked of him dressing down the crew.  Warning: this rant includes salty language.

After his rant went public, the actor apologized for losing it on the set.

Verdict: Salvation isn’t a total disaster.  Sure, it was a disappointment both critically and commercially.  But it still performed well enough that there were plans to move forward with a sequel.  Those plans were delayed and then canceled over legal battles for the rights of the franchise.  By the time the legal issues were settled, it was thought that it would be better to start with a clean slate rather than follow up on Salvation.  The movie isn’t as bad as its reputation, but it isn’t good either.  Of all the movies in the series, Salvation is the one I would least like to endure again.

Next: Fourth Place

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Posted on November 13, 2015, in Movies, Worst to First and tagged , . Bookmark the permalink. 46 Comments.

  1. Pretty close to mine. I’d rank the first two as a tie. They are the reason why the Terminator movies are remembered. I’ve gladly managed to keep my Terminator collection confined to those two.

    T3 is more or less a generic action movie with Arnold. But it’s the best of the generic action movies he was making at the time. The crane chase scene is fantastic. It lacks the depth of the first two. But it would’ve been a better note to end the series on than either of the two follow-ups.

    As for Salvation I think you summed it up best in an earlier discussion.

    “Everyone says they want a movie set in the robot-dominated apocalypse. But the problem is, the story has already been told. And there isn’t much to it. We already know everything we need to know about the future based on just a couple of lines of exposition from Michael Biehn in the first movie. There’s not much more to flesh out in that setting. While the idea of seeing humans fighting robots has pretty obvious appeal, we already know how it all ends. There’s no real story left to tell.”

    Genisys had Arnold in it and he was entertaining. But it didn’t feel like a real Terminator movie. It felt like a weak semi-spoof.

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    • Thumbs up for quoting me! 😉

      I’m not the Razzies, so no ties. But I can agree with the sentiment. The first two Terminators are both really solid. If you’re in the mood for a kick ass action movie, you put in T2. If you want something a little more intimate, you go with the original. Both movies deliver. Which is better just depends on your preferences and/or mood at the time.

      The flip side of that argument is which is worse; Salvation of Genisys? If you don’t mind some silliness, you’re going to be less bored by Genisys. If you want a serious movie, you’re going to be less annoyed by Salvation. Neither one is good but they are watchable provided you have your expectations set appropriately low.

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  2. Another very good write-up. I have not seen either Salvation or Genisys; judging by your comments I’m not going to make either one a priority in the near future. Rise of the Machines is, as you say, watchable. Claire Danes is more or less the counterpart, character-wise, to Linda Hamilton in the first film–the “why is this happening to me?” character–and she is pretty good. But really the only choice boils down to whether one prefers the more awe-inspiring spfx and bigger action sequences of T2 or the B-movie austerity and tightness of the original. I’ve always leaned slightly towards the earlier film, but they’re both terrific and it’s not an easy choice.

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    • I have in the past favored the original over the sequel. It is the better movie in terms of telling a stand alone story. I don’t want to say it’s more original because Cameron has more or less admitted to ripping off Harlan Ellison.

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    • 10 Movies That Completely Missed The Point

      http://whatculture.com/film/10-movies-that-completely-missed-the-point?page=6

      Terminator: Genisys (2015)

      Aping the plot of the first Terminator film in a quasi-reboot/sequel to the killer cyborg/time travel franchise, Terminator: Genisys opts to both nod back to the past and take things to the next next level by bringing back some old favorites as well introducing all-new Terminators.

      It might not have been that bad, really – there are some half-decent moments sprinkled in amongst the half-baked ideas and half-cocked attempts at comedy. Essentially, the film creates the plot of the first Terminator movie, sending Kyle Reese from 2029 to 1984 to save Sarah Connor from the T-800 that’s just been sent to kill her. That is, until a member of the Resistance in 2029 attacks the middle-aged John Connor, revealing itself to be a massively advanced T-5000: Skynet incarnate.

      This assault on adult John Connor allows for the creation of an alternate timeline, which is the timeline the remainder of this film takes place in, as it gleefully craps all over events that have already taken place in other, better installments in the Terminator franchise.

      The trouble is that, since 1984, the entire point of the Terminator franchise has been that history can be changed. Using time travel, the franchise states that it’s possible to rewrite the past to make a better future… or present, depending on when you are when you’re finishing this sentence.

      Alternate timelines, however, belong to the ‘many worlds’ theory of time travel, which posits an infinite number of parallel worlds where every possibility has been explored. Since your own timeline is only one of those infinite parallel worlds, engaging in time travel to change the past is an exercise in futility: and a Terminator film where you can’t change the past is a waste of bloody time.

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  3. I ended up ranking them in order, though I have no real disagreements at all with your ranking. If we could rank them spatially I think most of us would have 1&2 high up then a big space downward before we got to the most recent 3. Within these two groups you could make a reasonable argument for any arrangement.

    That being said, the original is my favorite by a hair because it was first. The second loses points for essentially being a retread of the original. An amazingly good retread mind you, but a retread nonetheless. The darker, grittier tone of the original balances out the better special effects and set pieces in the sequel. We are splitting hairs here, so don’t make too much of my choice here.

    In the bottom half T3 is clearly my favorite. It is the most successful of these movies in doing what it set out to do. It wanted to be a fast paced action movie that was dumb fun and didn’t intend for itself to be taken as seriously as the others.

    The most recent two movies tried to be epic and failed miserably. I don’t hate any of the movies. In fact there are things I really like about both. One thing to note about Genisys is that I don’t blame the movie for the colossally stupid decision by the marketing department to give away the big twist in the trailers.

    It has been a long time since I’ve seen Salvation so I’m not remembering it as badly as a lot of people do. Genisys is much more recent so I have a clear memory of the flaws. I could conceivably rank Salvation last if I watch it again and see more problems.

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    • I watched Salvation on TV where I was able to give it less than my full attention. Since I wasn’t very invested in it, it didn’t make me angry. My recollection was that they had an interesting premise that completely fell apart which isn’t at all surprising given the multiple rewrites. It also took itself too seriously. I got the impression McG was trying to make up for being The Charlie’s Angels Guy by making a Super Serious Movie. It ended up being a slog. Note to directors: Audiences like colors. Unless you are making a movie in black and white, using filters to strip the color out of your movie is not a good idea. Hear that Zack Snyder?

      Overall, I agree with your structure. The first two are in a tight race for the top and the most recent two are in an equally tight race for the bottom leaving Rise of the Machines just floating there in the middle as a movie that is charitably called “watchable”.

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  4. Lebeau, I agree with your ranking 100%. It’s hard to dispute the reasons you gave.

    I’ve always wondered, in some alternate reality where James Cameron wasn’t obsessed with the Titanic, what a third Terminator movie with him at the helm would have been like. I suspect the franchise itself would be totally different!

    Also, I always thought of the first two Terminator films as being the forerunner of the current comic book movie era. The effects and the general storyline seemed to show Hollywood that general audiences were ready and willing to accept that “style” of movie.

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    • I would say that the action movies of the 80s and 90s have given way to the modern superhero movie. My theory is that after 9/11, the big brawny action heroes of that era seemed dated. So action movies split. You got everyman action heroes like Jason Bourne and then you got actual superheroes who could be removed from reality and fight super villains instead of real world bad guys.

      I had never really given any thought to a Cameron-directed T3. I guess it was always obvious to me it was never going to happen. I can’t imagine he would go back and retell the same story a third time. It would have to be substantially different from the first two movies, I would think. I would definitely be interested to see it if you somehow get your hands on an alternate universe DVD or Bluray.

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      • “I would say that the action movies of the 80s and 90s have given way to the modern superhero movie. My theory is that after 9/11, the big brawny action heroes of that era seemed dated. So action movies split. You got everyman action heroes like Jason Bourne and then you got actual superheroes who could be removed from reality and fight super villains instead of real world bad guys.”

        Agreed. I’ve long felt that with the exception of a few established franchises (Bond, Bourne, Mission Impossible, Fast and Furious) the contemporary action movie has more or less become a superhero movie.

        For a while after 9/11 there were a few attempts to keep the 80s/90s approach going (the XXX movies come to mind). But eventually, Hollywood realized that approach was out of date.

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  5. Great post! Hopefully I did the poll right. But the first Terminator is definitely my favorite. Kyle Reese…. sigh 🙂

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  6. It’s weird… when I tried to read this article, Page 3 wouldn’t even load. When I tried to hit refresh, it was like I almost flickered out of existence or something. I’m just going to assume whatever’s on that page doesn’t exist.

    Great article, though. Well done.

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  7. In plenty surprised by seeing Genisys ranked 4th. I think that’s fair as long as you can apreaciate the things that work in the movie (like Arnold being able to pull off the role dispite a 12 layoff form it, the performance of the actor who played the T-1000, and the few moments we’re treated to J.K. Simmons) it also helps if you’re okay with the movie sticking to the formula ( One thing that I hate about Salvation, is that it doesn’t really feel like a terminator movie until the last half hour). Can’t wait to see what gets ranked next

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    • I could have swapped out the bottom two pretty easily. I have no desire to watch Salvation or Genisys again, but if you put a gun to my head, I would pick Genisys. Thus the slightly higher rating. Arnold and Simmons are fun. I have to give it that much.

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  8. I didn’t touch a thing when I voted, as that’s the order I liked the Terminator films (I didn’t see “Terminator:Genisys” yet, but don’t really have a burning desire to either).
    My “I always rank the first film in a series first” rule applies here, but I also like the entire look and vibe of the film (it is the 1980’s after all:-) from start to finish. However, I won’t put up much of a fight with anyone who ranks Judgement Day #1, as it might be the best film in the series (I think it’s one of those type of sequels).
    Wow, “T3” though? I don’t know, it didn’t move me much (although I thought it was okay; viewed it on HBO when it premiered on that channel). As for “Terminator: Salvation”, I see it as a war movie that just happens to involve robots, and yeah, as Lebeau stated it just felt like work to see it through (As for Christian Bale’s rant, the best I can say is that I can relate to being THAT pissed off, and at least he didn’t sound like a prima donna, just very, very, very, very, angry. Also he apologized, which was really necessary in this case. Boy, that rant will live on forever). In my mind, there “The Terminator” and its sequel, and I can really stop at that point.

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  9. T2 ahead of Terminator? You are dead to me.

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    • Terminator 1 and 2 are both genuinely great films. Even if you’re casually a fan of sci-fi or action films (and who isn’t?), both films are essential viewing. Like Lebeau, my pick for top film might fluctuate from day to day. The original Terminator is an extraordinary film when you consider how small a budget it was filmed on. Normally a film on this small of a budget is pure ghetto B-grade junk that is quickly forgotten, but Cameron delivered an R rated sci-fi masterpiece. I suspect, Darklight, that you made your statement with humor. At least that’s the way I take it. But honestly I can’t blame anybody for picking either of the first two films as the best of the series. Both are great entertainments.

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  10. I would put the original in the top spot.

    I’ve never understood the high praise T2 gets. Yes, it’s a special effects masterpiece, is well-paced, and packed with great action scenes. But the story itself, for lack of a better word, is pretty dumb. I could just never accept the premise that “Oh, by the way, Skynet actually sent back two Terminators to two different times, and John was able to send back a good Terminator protector that actually looks like the bad Terminator from the first movie, blah, blah, blah.” Plus, there are a ton of plot holes in the movie.

    I actually re-watched T2 recently, thinking that maybe I’d missed something during my original viewing. But nope, I could barely sit through it and couldn’t wait for it to be over. As opposed to the original Terminator which, despite its much cruder special effects, I can watch over and over again.

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    • The time travel definitely becomes harder to swallow with each successive sequel. There’s a reason all of the sending back of time travelers happens off camera. It gets progressively more absurd.

      Everyone has their own threshold for suspension of disbelief. My thought on the subject is that if you sit down to watch a movie, you have to at a minimum but into the premise. If you can’t accept multiple sets of time travelers, no, you’re not going to like the movie. Yeah, it’s a little hard to imagine how and why a second set of time travelers would be sent and if more can be sent, why aren’t they sending armies through, etc. But once you start asking those questions you have pretty much torpedoed the idea of a Terminator sequel. If you are going to enjoy any of the subsequent Terminator movies, you just have to make peace with the conceit that time travelers are able to come when the plot demands it and only in pairs. If I can accept the premise of the original (which is already pretty far out) the premise of T2 doesn’t require that much more of a leap.

      You’re not missing anything with T2. The appeal is very simple. It’s a sci-fi action movie. On that level, it’s extremely well executed. The presence of Linda Hamilton as a rare kick-ass female protagonist and Schwarzenegger in his prime are also selling points. But that’s it. There’s no deep story going on here. Plotwise, it’s a retread of the original.

      You’ve got a very clear preference for the original and I can’t argue against that. If the bigger action sequences and special effects don’t appeal to you, yes, the original wins hands-down largely because it was the original.

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      • Yes, I definitely agree that every movie we sit down to watch requires some suspension of disbelief – especially with the sci-fi and fantasy genres. And that yes, everyone has their own threshold. I guess for me personally, T2 crossed that threshold.

        But it wasn’t just some of the time-travel elements that I didn’t like about T2. For instance, I didn’t like the choice to make Sarah emotionally unbalanced and place her in a mental institution. And I would have like to have seen the relationship between Sarah and John explored further instead of focusing on John’s relationship with a non-human cyborg.

        Interestingly enough though, if T2 had been presented as a stand-alone movie, I might have actually liked it. Just not as a sequel to the first movie.

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        • That’s understandable. I could do without the abuse that happened in the mental hospital. I do think it is reasonable for her to be thete considering the fact no one would believe her story about robots from the future. The movie you wanted to see wasn’t the movie Cameron wanted to make. That happens some times.

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    • When Stuff Jumped the Shark

      http://newwrestlecrap.proboards.com/post/625094/thread

      Terminator jumped the shark (ironically) at its most successful and acclaimed installment, T2. It was here the concept of the “stable time loop” to give birth to John Connor was abandoned and the concept of “prevent Judgement Day” was created. Although T2 works as a standalone film, it gave birth to the idea that Judgement Day could be “put off” and the timeline altered continuously, which put us down the road of a lot of endless, worthless sequels that were completely self-referential to T2. T2 also killed the idea that we were actually supposed to be afraid of the Arnold cyborg. Finally, the idea that “time travel was Skynet’s last resort” was abandoned with T2, which led to Judgement Day being something that the heroes would make futile attempts to stop in each film and “time has a forward momentum”.

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    • The CineFiles Podcast: Episode 29

      http://thisisinfamous.com/cinefiles-podcast-episode-29/

      Eric Cohen November 22, 2015 Podcasts, The CineFiles Podcast

      After taking a week off from their Halloween extravaganza, the boys return with Episode 29 of The CineFiles Podcast. This time they focus on movies stars who do weird stuff. Think: James Franco, Joaquin Pheonix and the current king of “weird” Shia LaBeouf. But before they get into it, they discuss the films they’ve recently seen. SPECTRE, STEVE JOBS, INSIDE OUT, STUNG, SILVER BULLET, BACK IN TIME, SAN ANDREAS, the silent classic THE MAN WHO LAUGHS, CALL ME LUCKY, TANGERINE and so much more! As usual they discuss the latest movie news. And wonder why James Bond got the Austin Powers-Goldmember treatment.

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      • The CineFiles Podcast: Episode 22

        http://thisisinfamous.com/cinefiles-podcast-22/

        Eric Cohen September 5, 2015 Podcasts, The CineFiles Podcast

        In Episode 22 of The CineFiles Podcast, Andre takes a break as Jeff and Eric have a one-on-one discussion with regard to rewarding bad behavior. In other words, should we or shouldn’t we support the work of personalities who have indulged in some seriously abhorrent crap. Think: Mel Gibson, Woody Allen, Roman Polanski, we could go on.

        But first, we discuss the latest movie news and give our thoughts on the films we’ve recently seen. CAKE, MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: ROGUE NATION, THE HIDDEN FACE, ONIBABA, HONEYMOON IN VEGAS, LES ENFANTS TERRIBLE, TERMINATOR: GENISYS, DRIVE HARD, THE DEAD LANDS, ANT-MAN, WE ARE STILL HERE, BUTCH CASSIDY AND THE SUNDANCE KID among so many others. So recline on that chaise lounge, open a bottle of fine wine and indulge your ears in episode 22 of The CineFiles podcast.

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        • The CineFiles Podcast: Episode 19

          http://thisisinfamous.com/cinefiles-podcast-episode-19/

          Eric Cohen July 21, 2015 Podcasts, The CineFiles Podcast

          NINE-teen! Nah-nah-nah-NINE-teen! It’s episode 19 of the CineFiles podcast wherein this week we discuss our favorite film related websites, podcasts and blogs. But first – per usual – we discuss the films we’ve recently seen. Titles both beguiling, thought provoking or just plain dumb. EXTREME MEASURES, AFFLICTION, DIRTY ROTTEN SCOUNDRELS, THE TERMINATOR, TERMINATOR: GENISYS, CREEP, KUMIKO THE TREASURE HUNTER, MY DINNER WITH ANDRE, RED LIGHTS and AN HONEST LIAR. We then discuss the latest movie news coming out of the Hollywood gossip scene. And speaking of which… we get into our favorite web outlets possibly perpetuating the bruhaha of said gossip. Are things worse or getting better? Tune in and find out in episode 19 of The CineFiles podcast.

          If you happen to be in your home, spending time applying brine to that brisket for tonight’s BBQ, it could certainly do you know harm to listen to The CineFiles while massaging that savory meat. Also: rate and comment on us when you can. Namaste.

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  11. I’ll be honest… I enjoyed the heck out of Genysis. Ilove alternate histories, and this wa sight up my alley. I even enjoyed most of the characters being aware that’s what was happening.

    That being said, I wasn’t exactly p,eased with the lack of explanation regarding it. Or the spoiling of a huge moment in the Damon trailer. But I guess that’s how much faith the marketing department had in the film. Or lack of faith….

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  12. Do you plan to post the results of the Terminator reader poll, Lebeau?

    I looked through all of your posts from the past few weeks, thinking that maybe I’d missed it. But I didn’t see it.

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  13. T2 ended the greatest sci fi series in history by blowing up cyberdyne and turning a killing machine into a kindergarten teacher and making linda hamilton robotically unwatchable.
    The original terminator is and always will be the best whilst judgement day is the most overrated exposition happy borefest in history.
    I enjoy rise of machines, salvation and genisys any day over t2 and well done james cameron for supporting genisys i love it

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  14. The later Terminator sequels would be completely obsolete if not for Ahnold

    http://www.avclub.com/article/later-terminator-sequels-would-be-completely-obsol-231976

    Final ranking:

    Terminator 2: Judgment Day
    The Terminator
    Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines
    Terminator Genisys
    Terminator Salvation

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    • Mmm james cameron seems to disagree ranking genisys above rise of machines and actually supporting genisys.
      I respect your opinion but i feel too many people trash movies because they arent peeerfect.
      Which is sad because many movies are very good if not peeerfect.
      And for what its worth i could go on for a year about why judgement day is overrated as i wanted an expanded story after part one that properly fleshed out the future war and its possibilities not just blow up cyberdyne and its hasta la vista baby.
      But again you like it so thats all that matters.

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  15. 10 Most Underwhelming Summer Movies Of All Time

    http://whatculture.com/film-tv/10-most-underwhelming-summer-movies-of-all-time?page=5

    Terminator 3: Rise Of The Machines

    How did an infiltration unit that can’t be reasoned with and doesn’t feel pity or remorse or fear end up constantly playing off the “I’ll be back” catchphrase and becoming the butt of several crude jokes?

    When first introduced in The Terminator, the T-800’s first act was to tear out a guy’s heart, but in Rise Of The Machines, his first act is to enter a bar on “Ladies Night” and steal a male stripper’s clothes, including a pair of Elton John sunglasses. Then there’s Sergeant Candy.

    Though cut from the finished film, the two-minute scene tells you all you need to know about the filmmakers’ intentions. Ostensibly a Skynet promo video, it opens with Schwarzenegger speaking like a hick (“Ah wuz honored tuh be selected in duh effort tuh save American lives”) and when someone says, “I’m not sure about that accent”, another character, who speaks with Arnie’s voice, says, “We can fix it.”

    Throw in a female Terminator that can increase her cup size at will and you’ve got the campiest Terminator movie of them all.

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    • Im so glad you raised this and heres my answer. There is a difference between accidental humour and forced humour.
      For starters the terminator had no idea those elton john glasses were in his pocket thats why its acceptable humour, unlike in the savagely overrated terminator 2 where arnie is FORCED!! To be a virtual stand up comic.
      If you want to know how overrated judgement day is you need look no further than the ridiculous bad to the bone tune as he leaves the bar, SEQUEL much!!
      See heres the thing in terminator 3 arnie never stops being a machine, he may react to circumstances like “show me the hand”
      But its never force fed like in jugdment day.
      Judgement day is way too long its exposition is like watching paint dry.
      Its tries to turn a machine into a human in about 30 min and dont even get me started on linda hamiltons robotic, emotionless petratal of sarah chonnor in judgement day.
      Terminator 1 is and has always been the best of all. I put judgement day last in the series and im not kidding.
      At least rise of machines advanced the story to the next chapter and didnt just end the greatest sci fi series in history by blowing up cyberdyne in 2 movies and left a cyborg wanting a vacation!!

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  16. 10 Awesome Movies With Disappointing Sequels

    http://whatculture.com/film-tv/10-awesome-movies-with-disappointing-sequels?page=8

    The Terminator

    Stan Winston once remarked that he’d worked on movies with better effects than The Terminator, but he’d never worked on a movie with as good a story. That pretty much sums up James Cameron’s $6 million movie, but if you want to see the same story mounted a $100 million budget, then Judgment Day is for you. Just don’t expect too many differences.

    T2 must also bear the brunt for convincing Arnie that Terminators could be funny. In the first sequel, he gets away with one quip (“I need a vacation!”), but by the time of Rise Of The Machine, he’s content to play off his old catchphrases every few minutes. Until near the end, there was more than a touch of déjà vu to the plot, which was basically a facsimile its predecessor

    The dour, humorless Terminator Salvation managed only to polarize audiences, but Terminator Genisys deserves credit for turning the franchise into a Mel Brooks movie, complete with “jokes” about how humanity won’t survive unless Kyle Reese and Sarah Connor get it on.

    Please don’t come back, Arnie.

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    • And yet strangely enough its creator james cameron endorsed terminator genisys totally and so do i.
      The terminator series should have been a 3 or 4 movie franchise from the start but cameron copped out with judgement day and his approval of genisys proves this.
      Terminator salvation was set in 2018 and not 2029, a fact that escapes many people.
      And as for judgement day i loved it as a kid in 1991 but over the years its floors kept nagging away until i couldnt ignore them any more.
      Great action and special effects do not make up for poor pacing, boring exposition, and complicated story sub plots like the hospital sequence.
      Say what u will about terminator 3,4,5. But they are well paced, un complicated stories that flesh out this franchise far more than judgement day ever had the guts too.
      i believe genisys is a good way to finish this franchise….. so arnie dont come back now dude cause im happy to see sarah and kyle ride off into the sunset…..

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      • That endorsement from James Cameron rang false. He was just trying to give the franchise some legitimacy so he could keep making money off it. Plus, his buddy Arnold needed it to be a hit to keep his comeback on track.

        Genisys isn’t unwatchable. I’d sooner sit through it than Salvation. But man oh man is it unnecessary. It brings nothing new to the table. I’d rather watch the first two movies over again than a PG-13 version of their greatest hits.

        I totally disagree that Terminator should have been a 3-4 movie franchise. The whole story was told in the first movie. The fact Cameron got a decent sequel out of it is amazing.

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        • Ive enjoyed this chat and i respect your opinion but to suggest cameron needed the money is ludicrous.
          He never gave terminator 3 or salvation the same endoresement for “money”.
          Anyway its been fun dude !!

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        • Very different situations. Does Cameron need the money? No. But the future of his franchise and his friend’s career hinged on the success of T:G. Now that it has failed, both are in limbo. Cameron had nothing to lose and a lot to gain by endorsing the last Terminator. I have a hard time believing his effusive praise waz genuine given the movie’s many obvious flaws. But it’s unlikely we will ever know for sure.

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  17. Why Hollywood won’t make another Terminator movie

    http://www.looper.com/31186/hollywood-wont-make-another-terminator-movie/

    It’s hard to believe its been more than 30 years since James Cameron made The Terminator, but several movies down the line, the franchise has started to lose its steam. The reasons for this are complex, ranging from questions about creative approach to the performance (or lack thereof) when it comes to the sequels. Cameron told an amazing story across Terminator and Terminator II: Judgment Day, but not all franchises are meant to run for five (and counting) different movies.

    Let’s dig in to how Terminator got off track, and what Hollywood might be able to do to get it back on.

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  18. How The Terminator Movies Have Changed

    The Terminator series is probably one of the best known sci-fi movie franchises, it’s generated three billion dollars worth of income in its lifetime, about twice the nominal GDP of Saint Lucia. Thanks for that Wikipedia. It features not only five films, but also comic books, TV series, video games, toys and other merchandise.

    Here I’m just looking at the films, and how they have inevitably changed over the 31 years the quintology has existed, and they have changed a lot.

    The Terminator was made in 1984, and is about a cyborg sent from the future to that year tasked with killing the mother of the not yet conceived leader of the human resistance fighting against Skynet, a very unfriendly Artificial Intelligence. At the same time Kyle Reese, a soldier from the future, is sent back by the resistance, to stop this cyborg – a terminator, played by Arnold Schwarzenegger – a metal skeleton coated with real skin, free from morality, fatigue, and body hair.

    Cameron came up with the idea several years before after having a dream about something kind of resembling what we would know as a terminator. I remember reading once that it was also based on a story by Harlan Ellison – the science fiction writer, and I assumed that it was based on I Have No Eyes and I Must Scream, a short story about a malevolent AI that has purged the world of all humans with the exception of a handful of survivors that it tortures for its own amusement.

    In fact it’s not that at all, Harlan Ellison thought The Terminator was a rip-off of a episode of Outer limits he’d written in 1964, adapted from an earlier short story in 1957, about two soldiers 1800 years in the future who accidentally get sent back in time….

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